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  • smuggymba
    01-16 02:17 PM
    Shaant bhaiyon shaant. Take it easy. Lets get back to the topic.

    I hope that this memo is not mis-used to affect the good apples, that's it.





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  • kuhelica2000
    02-13 02:01 PM
    Grupak, I am not suggesting any single country is monopolizing the foreign worker pool. Employment laws in the US are fairly non-discriminatory except the diversity in workplace or "Affarmative Action" component which prefers a minority when two candidates possess the same skills.

    My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.



    I don't understand this logic. We are talking about employment based GC.

    Lets be clear that we are talking about people who are employed in the US and their employers have sponsored their green cards (except the EB2-NIW, EB1_EA). These people are employed because of their skill at jobs not their national origin.

    Are you suggesting that somehow people of some countries have monopolized the foreign worker pool by born in the same country and NOT because of their skill.

    Since we are talking about a privilege and benefit that comes from being employed in the US, you are actually suggesting that US employers should consider country of birth and not just skill in the employment.

    Tell me how did the Chinese, Indian, Mexican and Filipino workers unfairly monopolized the foreign worker pool. As far as I am aware, these countries have large populations and a lot of Science and Engineering graduates happen to be from these countries.

    The country cap makes sense in family based immigration system when extended beyond the immediate family members. IV is not for FB GC issues.

    Again, employment in the US is based on skill not country of birth. The foreign workers are here because they are needed, and US will benefit by keeping these skilled workers long term. What IV is doing benefits all employment based GC.





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  • GCKaMaara
    05-13 09:59 AM
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_sri_lanka_civil_war


    What a shame ! Yesterday only UPA Govt. issued a statement that because of their intensive efforts SL govt. has stopped bombing.

    Congress/ Sonia is seeing this as personal which shouldn't have been the case.

    Countries like Japan, Norway have condemned these attacks by SL govt/ sending diplomats and our UPA govt. PM says we can't do anything !

    See the poor foreign policy by UPA govt. - Nepal has fallen to Maoist- backed by China, Taliban are rising as never before, LeT has become more stronger, Bangladesh soldiers are killing CRF personals on the boarder and India is home for more 2 Carores Bangladeshi now, China is disputing Arunachalam...and many more.


    Agreed.





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  • Jagadish1978
    07-19 07:28 PM
    I have these below queries on Green card processing

    My Green card processing background
    My labor and I140 are approved and have priority date of May 2006 under EB3 category.

    The reason for these questions is that I am planning to change the company that I am working with.

    Questions.
    1. Can I port the priority date (March 2006) when applying for new green card with new employer.
    2. If possible to port the priority date can I apply under EB2 category assuming all other criteria satisfy for EB2 category and use the same (May 2006) priority date.





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  • rajuram
    02-14 11:51 PM
    How would letting "people" know that there is a problem help? The only people that matter are politicians.


    I tried to determine, on a separate thread, the wait times for EB-2 India, EB-3 ROW, and EB-3 India.
    ANd I failed miserably. My models didn't make much sense. So I quit trying to come up with a reasonable, mathematical, estimate on the wait times.
    The reason I was trying to determine wait times, was so that I could then convince people to join and contribute for IV. Basically, a media campaign, geared towards our base.

    Anyway, the point of this post is this. I don't need reasonable, mathematical estimates. Maybe, all I need is a quote. A quote from someone knowledgeable, like Aman. Or some lawyers association. Some chimpanzee from USCIS. I don't know. Just something that says 'It will take 10-15 years for EB-3 India to get their greencards.' Or something like that for EB-3 ROW/EB-2 India.

    That could be used to let people know that there IS a problem. Trust me. A huge majority doesn't even know that there is a problem.



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  • syendu1
    01-14 02:01 PM
    plainspeak,

    i know a thing or two about this eb related immigration. i agree people should not suffer for years together to get a perm. res card, and that too, people who may have been in the line ahead of others.

    however, i dont think it is just not being ahead that creates this spill over thing. unused visas first go to eb1, then to eb2 and then to eb3. i think, that is correct. now, my view about this categorization is that, eb1 -- outstanding people, eb2 -- better qualified, eb 3 -- skilled but not qualified in terms of degree or experience, whatever. (pls understand, i am not degrading eb3 people, i have loads of very close friends in eb3 who are extremely intelligent and i can tell you, can easily compete with the eb2 guz, as far as knowledge etc goes).

    but, there is a reason for this division and just for that reason, visas have to go thru eb2 before eb 3. if that is not the case, they wont put people who go for NIW in eb2, it wud have been in eb 3 or a completely separate category.

    u did mention to someone that u dont want to convert to eb2 or something in those lines, but i believe everyone should try to get to eb 2 (get masters, or after getting the experience), there is nothing wrong in doing so. (if u feel that i shud not be giving u advice, then just ignore the above few lines)

    i believe some of things people pointed out like visa recapture, not counting the dependents etc are the kind of things where IV should focus energies. this is good for all immigrants

    bottomline: i believe it is wrong to distribute remaining visa no.s to eb3 category before servicing eb 2, becoz i thought, the categories were specifically created to prioritize.

    and please, bear in mind, i am not saying this coz i am eb2. i thought logically that was correct. and, i do easily qualify for eb 1 as well. just did not care abt a gc. i dont care abt it even now. my thinking: if it happens, good, if not, i dont care, i can always go back home-jai hind.





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  • kshitijnt
    07-17 12:39 PM
    Is it accurate to say that new way of allocating spill over visas effectively acheive same effect as eliminiating country limits?

    For short term yes. Long term No.

    If there is a surge of ROW applicants. India & China applicants are at severe disadvantage.



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  • gopalkrishan
    08-03 03:17 PM
    Hi All,

    First of all .. I am not an IBO or anything, but after being approached many a times, I decided to look up what the hell it was .. Attended a couple of their business meetings, researched and found out that upline groups like BWW had subverted the original business model..

    Amway business model is that 1) you sell products to others you get the difference between the IBO price you get and the price you sell the product at... 2) Based on total volume you get a specific share.
    In above model the share you get from volume is not major unless you have a lot of People under you. The main money comes from retailing the product.

    BWW model: The uplines put a lot of pressure not only on getting the folks in, but stress the importance of books/cds, motivational products. They want you to have standing(recurring) order for books/cds and want you to pressure people under you to do that too .. The bulk "profit" comes from these. Amway has nothing to do with these books/cds. Amway has nothing to do with the seminars or business meetings, but your uplines push you to attend "as many meetings as possible" because profits from these also go to them .. Based on the consumption and volume of these additional items under you, a share of these profits may trickle down ..

    When Uplines talk about making money they don't tell you that you are expected to do more than Amway model .. With Amway model, if you simply retail the products (NOT RECRUIT) then that should be enough (difference between IBO and retail price is YOURS).. People do buy stuff; couple of my friends have a repeat order with an Amway guy, for some vitamins sold through amway.. Anyways, Uplines force people to recruit so they have more people to target their motivational products to.

    The red flag for me was (i may have misunderstood) .. The checks don't come directly to you .. Comes to top chain, they take their share and write out checks for lower down the line and so on and so forth (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG)..

    Anyways .. Amway for me is a subverted business by corrupt people.. Big Lies and false promises :)


    Cheers





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  • glus
    03-19 09:03 PM
    Mr. Janak,
    Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
    Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]

    Very well said Subst_labor. People like Janak are simply jealous that you had the offer. People like him always will think that you are cheating the system or something like that just because a company offered you a labor substitution. I think that one should not judge such cases, and I am actually happy for all of those who are fortunate enough to receive their green cards sooner because of third factors. Good luck with your Labor subst. I hope the company is OK.

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  • prem_goel
    05-29 03:02 PM
    I've met couple of guys who came on L1 and have filed GC in EB1. they are simply project managers and exploited this loop hole... I'd raised this issue earlier but was scoffed stating that I would have done the same if I would have been at their place...Felt like slapping the guy who made this stupid comment.

    Given that we have played by the rules, lets prevent any kind of fraud to make sure that there is FIFO.....

    Please PM me if you have the details.





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  • Lasantha
    12-14 05:35 PM
    Well, you are the one who asked me that question. I can't help it if you didn't like my answer.
    And if you don't like other views please don't waste your time by responding to them.
    As for your last question, if I have anything more to add, I will do that if and when I feel like it. I don't think I need your permission to do that. (At least I think I don't. Correct me if I am wrong though). :cool:

    Hasta la vista Baby!

    Either you are kidding or wasting everybody's time. This thread is all about "investigating constituionality and effects of "Per country limit" . Nobody is saying, repeat, nobody here is saying that OTHER AGENDAS defined by IV should not be pursued or will not be pursued. Do you have anything to add about "Per country limit?



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  • sundevil
    05-29 02:48 PM
    I agree with your ultimate conclusion that we need legislative changes, but I am with complaining about fraudulent EB1 apps. Every fraud starts off small. Even this applying H1B without a job and then sit on the bench for a few months and find a job was started as a few thousand at one time. Now it is a fraud monster, we have learnt to live with.
    I for one believe changing EB3 to EB2 is not even in the same ballpark as EB1 fraud, most people in EB3 are deserving or will become deserving EB2 while waiting. But EB1 fraud is straight up that, FRAUD, even labor sub takes a distant second to that.

    :) he did say hope is on the way...but forgot to say which way or he was try to say what would hope's tombstone read...

    Here lies HOPE...it was IN the WAY :rolleyes:

    to the others who are bitching and moaning about EB1's, a few months back we were worried about the EB3 converting to EB2..before that we were worried that EB3's were getting more visas than EB2's and so on.....we will keep fighting about the handfull of misallocated visas or work towards recapture. The most important thing from Murthy's letter is that USCIS has started preadjudicating 485 which simply means that there are ton of people stuck in this mess who are waiting to be approved... a handful of visas is nothing...lets all unite and work towards recapture.





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  • makemygc
    06-28 12:37 PM
    For July 485 filing, can I send papers in Saturday June 30th ?
    This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.

    Want to join me ;)



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  • El_Guapo
    01-14 01:41 PM
    This is comedy. This El_Guapo wants to give green to his own post. Oh man, what an idea to get greens. :D

    I give you green Mr. Kris or rather KrishnaChandramoorthy ;-)





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  • jayleno
    07-21 03:11 PM
    To a_yaja,

    Thanks for your detailed story my friend. This thread is turing into a support group for Amway/Quickstar victims.
    How is your experience with your childhood Amway friend. Still friends or just keeping in touch because he has the acess to the Amway database? :P

    [QUOTE=a_yaja;1971286]I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.

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  • newuser
    07-03 08:13 AM
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  • villamonte6100
    12-14 02:39 PM
    I think you are taking it so personal. I am not opposing this idea. In fact, I suggested to check with your immigration lawyers and share what they say.

    All I'm saying is that, in my personal view, I don't see any discrimination on the existing law you are pointing out. I don't see anyone being discriminated. It just so happen that we belong to 4 countries affected by this quota.

    If we can ask the US government to probably give exception to us, I think that's one idea. But that's absolutely remote.

    My country of origin has got nothing to do with what we are talking here. You are taking so personal because you might have been waiting for your GC for quite sometime. Well, we are just on the same boat.

    This is an open forum my friend. So please take it easy.


    Villamonte,
    Just so that we can understand the background of your continues opposition to this idea, could you please let us know your country of origin? Also some information about which state chapter you belong to will be great if you don't mind. :)

    Thanks.





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  • Pineapple
    12-14 02:27 PM
    Nope. UK and Pakistan would then join the club of India & China. ROW is an artificial construct. The reason USCIS posts priority dates for India, China, Mexico and Philippines separately is that applicants from these countries are typically, and especially over subscribed. ROW countries are just countries which are not typically over subscribed in the EB category.

    O.K. Forget for a moment about IN,China,MX and Philipines. Let me understand the "Quota" witihin "ROW"

    Example: Britain, Pakistan.

    Let's say next year tons of nationals of Britain Choose to apply under EB.
    Let's say total is more than 7% of Total 1,40,000 limit.

    Is that allowed?

    Same question for Pakistan...





    angelfire76
    05-31 06:03 PM
    whatever the case may be, until there is a VISA recapture we are not going to get our GC's anytime soon. Please admit this fact.

    What I would suggest is that we work with Indian Govt. parallely (specially people who are moving back or planning to move back) to get back the Social Security/Medicare contributions we had been making. We need to show that if we start going back we would add $$$ to Indian economy. This would also trigger US govt. to think on this issue (i think..)

    US works when there is big money involved... otherwise nothing would move here...

    Just my thoughts.

    Recently I was on a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and the guy next to me was a former RBI employee. I asked him as to why the Indian govt. is not doing anything about the billions of USD left behind by Indians returning to India in the form of SSA and Medicare taxes, to which he replied that the obstacle to a treaty as stated by the US govt. is that India does not have a system comparable to Soc. Security and Medicare for distribution of money to it's retirees.
    Such a pact was apparently considered in 2006, but went nowhere due to disagreement about how the Indian govt. will track money distribution and administer the program.





    amsgc
    07-04 12:58 AM
    Agreed !!

    These days i'm driving back from work instead of taking the Train/subway because my client location changed and i built this habit of listening to
    Talk radio by guys like Howie Carr , Michael Savage etc.. ( WRKO 680 at Boston) and they really influence Public decision....

    They were beating the s*** out of Bush, Ted kennedy because of CIR ( atleast verbally ) and calls after calls were coming from local american Public...

    But our story may not be very interesting for Locals - so talk radio probably won't take it up as a Topic ???

    It depends on how you put the issue across to the talk show host/american public. If you say how you want a green card, high skilled, legal immigrants, etc., then general junta is going to club it all into the "immigration issue" and our voice will be lost.

    However, if you put yourself across as someone who got the shaft by the government, victim of mismanagement of govt. agencies, and possible msiconduct, then people are likely to listen. This is because American citizenry is very particular about where their tax dollars are going, and if they don't find transparency in government functions, they will demand explanations.

    If you listen to the programs, then you should call.



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